From Gaming to Tech: Veronica Shelton’s Story

Leave here. You got the door and always be straightforward and honest people who will want to work with you will work with you I don't think I'm smarter than anyone on my team or else. Why the hell would they be there? I think with those things in mind it allows me to be honest with my team open I'm not anyone on my team's competitor There's nothing in me that wants to feel better than you I want you to feel like you want to be here because at the end of the day the truth is each one of those people on your team are building your dream This is right about now with Ryan Alfred a Radcast Network production We are the number one business show on the planet with over one million downloads a month Taking the BS out of business for over six years and over 400 episodes You ready to start snapping necks and cash and checks? Well, it starts right about now Hello, and welcome right about now. We're always mixing things up You never know what to expect even with our countdowns for our guests. I am excited today I'll be honest, you know, you do this show. I've had 700 guests and sometimes I get in here and I start talking with the guests And I'm like, you know, I don't know if I'm in a job at this person, but we're gonna make some lemonade out of lemons I don't have a problem today. We have the lovely Veronica Shelton She is the co-founder of Oak theory. What's up Veronica? What's up Ryan? Hi, I am fabulous You know, you make people want to smile. I think it's your smile. You had a great smile You know, it's glued to my face. Yeah, I can't help it reading everything you've done All the brands are working with everything you're doing with oak theory. It's cool. What the hell is up there? I'm so oak theory we're a product design studio now We're calling ourselves a creative tech studio because product design has gotten so big But basically we build product software applications digital experiences and just flow with it Full service. How'd you get into this? Nothing gets my attention like neuro spicy creativity. I am Neuro-typical. Well, neurodivergent. Sorry. I have autism, but level one And I think that played a huge part in me being within the industry that I'm in I'm obsessed with and not just tech but how humans use it and how we adapt to things Which is going crazy right now with AI, right? Like there's a huge psychological side to it I get how you've done this up this show for now going on seven years and having some of the biggest founders And I get asked a lot and I asked a lot what's the key to success and you know Because everybody wants the blueprint and a lot of people listening to the other wanting to get the cheat sheet For people like yourself and others curiosity the most successful people are the most curious people I know they have to like figure something out because if you don't have that then you probably aren't Solving a problem that you would get paid to solve anyway That is 100% truth and then you don't have enough to dive into it. If you're curious about something Go deeper. You just like something like oh, I like this business. I'm just gonna do this business surface level It's like well, you'll just stay in that space. You'll never get more so yeah, I agree. It's got to be interesting Not only kind of being in this tech side you're a woman of color So you got two things that aren't a very untypical for that space being both a woman and a woman of color What's that been like? Honestly, I am what my friends call a gallery treacher Always happy small glued and so even in that situation, I feel like it's been such a super power Because I have a perspective that not a lot of people have because of who I am and I feel like I bring that to the table with everything So the way you look at tech is probably different sometimes in the way I look at experiences and back in the way that I even have to Go into meetings and how I am listen to versus not listen to sometimes So I think there's been like of course these learning moments. I rather call them learning the negative across the board But I think there's been a lot of positive in it If you're vocal about the value that you bring and you don't hide it and you can say it in a way that doesn't come off like Huh, I think it leaves a lot of space for us to lean in and focus on innovation and how to do things and stay curious about things together I love that you've turned that I can go out a lot of different ways with that and the positivity that you bring around it And and what I think and I go man wouldn't verana because perspective that because she's smart She understands the stuff and the diversity that you bring why though jeez high demand if you ask me like I love that perspective I mean because I'm telling you I'm gonna totally stereotype here so I'm leaning in I don't need another dorky 27-year-old guy telling me something about tech Oh, like it seems a little cookie cutter. I think that's great perspective and What do you think when you have those discussions or you're working with clients? What do you think that diversity and thought process for you? What colors do you paint with? What do you think changes it from your perspective when you get in those discussions about technology or building products or things like that? I think with technology the one beautiful thing that I like about it is similar to math Certain demographic data doesn't matter and so a lot of times with tech It's more so about our brain how we navigate things and that's one thing I love because that's something that I think we share across the board as humans brings us together and I think it's why there's so much unity in it because there's so little bias that is Surface level. It's all here so in physical So I think usually the conversations never have to do with how I look until we get past Like a lot of times of clients when they come in and they meet Hannah and I Hannah is Korean. I'm black. We're both women people do not expect us to be who we are because of the biases and shit That's out there. I think like already that's Usually Usually that is a mountain that we have to climb over in a lot more meetings than I'd like to admit Be able to get to the good stuff Usually we've had it more times for you guys you guys are who would be working on the project It's like hi like who's the tech lead hi really? Yes. Can we please just I promise you if we can get to it You'll understand so I think that's I say Google Disney and Sephora can you talk about the types of projects her things you've done with some of these companies? So Disney was great. It was books don't have a brain fog pregnancy fog But um with Disney is working on books children's books. I got to creative direct quite a few big titles Which was really fun and that was me working with brilliant artists and copywriters and printing team publishing Jesus, there's word so that was great and honestly those things come into perspective working on things like Doc McStuffins right and calling out how certain words are used who's the demographic his table Are these going to be on so white in this up-and-door so there is a lot of different books. I worked on with Sephora again I will admit that's very Perspective-based. It was going into a project doing a global campaign with the humongous Up in the Nika company and that was working on things all the way from figuring out what models we're gonna use I think during that time if you were to look at my portfolio during the time of Sephora when I'm cinema Who else is back down? I'll know some other names I was very vocal about being a black woman in tech because I think I stayed back then but it was maybe 10 years ago Eight years ago It was a bit more on the publishing side So with Sephora is like hey you have these models. You have one type of Asian model You have one type of black model one type of Latina model But if we look at some of the stats I was able to come to the table and be like if we look at the numbers. This is not what they all look like Like you're using models that have a look that's not commercial enough for it to probably attract the demographic you're going for Here's numbers to prove what I'm saying. So it doesn't sound stupid. Same with lamp cinema I was able to work on a project that introduced the first family of black family in their catalog So those are things that I think were race related in those projects And then we go to things like Google working on their diversity supplier platform, which I think is bigger It's a bigger issue when it comes to diversity because we're talking about a lot of people across the board Google's huge of global and so when we're looking at a diversity platform We don't it's not a black and white thing There's people of all shades and all colors and all backgrounds who go into that. So fun projects to work on Let me ask you on the diversity side. How do you balance if there's sides to an argument? I don't know that that's the right way to frame it But I'm lacking a better way to say it Diversity for diversity's sake versus getting the best whatever for whatever it might be the best solution or the best diverse solution Those things aren't always the easiest to align. Are they? They should always align Diversity's not just race is age, ableism, gender, anything that you can do There's some people who can't function their hands the same as others There's some people who are colorblind There's some people who are dyslexic Those are all things that come into tech that I feel like a lot of people miss when we're talking diversity It's ageism. There's some people who can't see text that's below 14 points And so with technology and how we use it tech is only as good as how easy and accessible it is for the user Otherwise, it's a waste you get the best product in the world the best application is smartest tool Open AI still needs a UI team for Plexity Google They still need a team of designers and UI specialists and psychologists and anthropologists to Make sure that their tool works well for people. So I think they have to work together You have to have diversity in tech. You know, use the word that I like better than diversity Accessibility is really what it's about. That's really what we're talking about It's making complex things accessible to diverse groups that might not always be representative or thought of And I think that accessibility really helps frame it better You know, because this isn't about diversity for diversity say it is that accessibility because we're all Blinded by our own ignorance sometimes and not in what's in our sphere of influence And so if I don't see through the eyes of these people what they go through how they do things that is what has to get unlocked And I think that's the super power you bring is that accessibility to diverse groups Summarizing the right way you are on to it. Look at you smarty pants exactly And it's the empathy towards accessibility and I think it's becoming more mainstream like people are understanding it Now people are talking about it now. We have the TikToks and the social sites where it's even the neurospiciness came from Some of right it's because people now understand where it comes from and what it means. So I'm happy with the direction We're going in which accessibility is becoming very important. So yeah, you're absolutely correct What's been your favorite project? I can't say that here. I love all my projects. Who's your favorite baby? Which baby of yours is the prettiest? I will never you will never catch me. I love all my clients you guys are all amazing Of course, but you probably has to be something that you're this really sunk your teeth into Favorite might be the wrong word, but something that just maybe you weren't sure what it was gonna be But damn you walked away proud and excited about it. Okay. I'm gonna go in a different direction anyway And it's gonna be a little selfish plug, but my favorite project right now is under the oak and that is what it's a media Project that we're working on that's coming from oak theory. So oak theory. We're almost we're very technical We build we make products. We make software we build applications and it's very project focused The team is very project focused. We have an amazing team And then we're working on this new thing where at the end of the day We're still human and sometimes we can get lost and trying to make things more efficient and trying to you know The burnout of trying to make everything. Oh, it has to be super profitable. It has to be all these things And so under the oak brings in that psychological side that I think Hannah and I needed honestly as a breakaway To be like when we do work on projects that feel maybe a little heavy with AI coming in There's a lot of projects that are coming in where there's this feeling of this is so smart This is so great, but how is this going to affect mankind? And what are we seeing happening? How is this affecting our brains? How is this affecting our youth? How is this affecting how we interact with people? We know we're smart girls So we know based on research that a lot of the things that are happening right now with AI and just with technology in general We've seen some Asian countries like Japan and things like that how that can lead to isolation and depression and certain Versus people and how it could right now we see it in places in Europe and even in America with the youth where they're becoming They're losing their critical thinking skills And so we wanted a place where we could talk about those things openly and more from an emotional side And so I think that's my favorite project right now. I love that and I had a guy last week on he wrote a book called generation AI And it's kind of like you guys will make a great team together His is more like the implications of what them growing up within it and sort of like but not necessarily Some of the deep end of the water stuff with what it means for how brain development is all that kind of stuff I don't think it's intentionally swept under the rug I just don't know if we think or talk about it enough It's definitely talked about in the in certain groups I feel like it's not like it's all I hear about especially with the Well, I know you hear about it, but you don't hear about okay What does this actually mean for how our kids are developing? We do and this is where I think it's important to look at things right like um Got it pivot everywhere with things I've worked on but especially with gaming and children There's a lot of games that are being Government funded in processes and things that are being government funded because our youth are going to lose a huge part of how They of cognitive abilities. They're not going to have the same critical thinking skills that we have I'll put it this way. Are you a millennial? I am Gidex. Oh well, okay Though I'm a millennial I think there's probably a lot of millennial listeners And I feel like one thing that we all have gotten used to and honestly you too We're part of a really huge transformational era like we're used to it We went from cassette tapes to now music being pulled out of thin air We've adapted really quickly, but now we're in a place where adapting is insane It's faster than that and if you look at how we've changed over time and how we've become dependent We used to never have cell phones in our hands It wasn't a way of living now you cannot go without a cell phone in your hand You are completely dependent your whole life depends on it How you connect with your friends and family depend on it You don't even know what writing a letter or stamps look like these days It's completely changed how we do things Coffee layers out the door So if you think about that and you think that that is what we can consider a healthy timeline to adjust Right now if you squish that probably I would say like a hundred times That's the timeline that this new generation has to adapt to a new way of being Like technology we just have expectations of technology Now we're at a place where technology is now having expectations of us Changing how we work, how we live, how we think These are really huge things to consider I think when we're looking at AI and how these things come in I think it's talked about, it's definitely not talked about enough Yeah, it's fascinating I came up in analog world we converted to digital You know, which is kind of like what you're talking about with Eve And now we're going from digital And this is one second of thought probably better word to generative Because analog and digital still require a pull I'm grabbing something Versus it's now generative It's creating itself and pushing Whether it was digital or analog we're pulling information We're pulling songs we're pulling data Now it's pushing out That's why these things are important because it's funny I was joking on business partner because there's this rumor going around With Jeff Bezos buying vogue for his wife or something And I freaked out because this is recent If he did it it's exactly what we're trying to do now Because even when we started I was like I wanted to be the con day Nast of this generation Because if we remember those magazines those are things that kind of kept us grounded They had the quizzes in it and they had all these things that just kept us In this place where we still have fun And we're still able to look at things without this new culture that's coming in That just feels like it's so a little culture Be more efficient, be more productive Oh you like doing that thing Here's how to make millions doing that thing and it's like Yes, yes But that's not all life has to offer You need to remember yourself and what's going on in here You have kids they still need to experience outside These influencers and all this stuff But here's the effects that that can have on them And maybe some healthy ways in which you can go about it We're still figuring this out It's there's just this conversation that I think is missing In this new transformation a new era of AI You shouldn't be having all those conversations with AI Those conversations need to be had among humans who are experiencing things Dog with Veronica Shelton She is the co-founder of Oak theory I love that name You know it's like old and new Yeah, old Oak wood versus theories like sounds so high tech Very good branding I like it The grounded thank you Is this print? Is this digital? How are we telling these stories? Brain art's digital, it's blogs, it's articles We even have a podcast We're in there that we're like playing around with But it's a digital media platform That we're building out just to have those deep conversations about where we're at and tech And where things are going And it's changing our lives I love it There's definitely a lot of white blue ocean space for that type of content So I think it's unlimited Yeah Right now we work on a lot of projects I think that are coming in that are technical And especially building what they are And so a lot of times there's a lot of research That goes into building things out We might have a school that approaches us And they want to like a university They want to develop new ways to get their students to Buy products from their store And so we have to go into the psychological aspect of What makes them want to do that What can hit them in certain places Why did we still like nostalgia And what triggers us in nostalgia To make us want to buy something Those are psychological things That we probably don't look at off the shelf Like we're like oh it's just buying something But it's like no there's a reason why you looked at that product That target And it was a color that made you feel something And suddenly you're picking up something You didn't even come into the store for And now you're getting it There's a psychological side to it Arget alone I'm not even going to get started on the brilliant mind I forgot her name Who puts maps together for them To do exactly that Her job is to make maps Or the store that increase sales But on a psychological level When we have projects come in No we want to be able to talk about those things And what we gain from our research And bring that to the to the public And so under the opus kind of our way to do that We do it with permission of course But it's like hey We did a lot of research on this thing That shows what we were talking about earlier How certain tools that your kids are using And really affect their critical thinking skills Here are some ways that we've learned Can help Here are some ways that we've learned Are impacting it Take with it what you will Open conversation I love it I used to work in shopper marketing Yeah I've done a lot in the market side Lighting a store up Everything is into place There's a reason the milk and the eggs are in the back The store and the bread is hard to find You have to stumble upon a hundred other things You may or may not need There's a lot of psychology involved in it There's so much And there's a reason the candy is where it is too Yes exactly In the magazines Easy wraps Like there's And kid level It's short on purpose There's those shelves So you can see grab it And hand it to their mom and dad And you know get it How much stuff can we sell? It's crazy But I love it Sometimes I got a bit Yeah Imagine you're on the forefront of seeing Different technologies Platform software Is there anything you're seeing That you're excited about That is going to make the things you do Better for accessibility And diversity And things like that Anything that makes me excited Software or hardware Software or hardware side Are you seeing stuff that would blow people's minds Or is it more practical than you think That is a hard question to ask Because in my brain a lot of things Are probably more practical than I think Right now the biggest thing that Everyone's talking about And it's the obvious Is AI And where it's going I feel like it's the best tool that's ever existed I feel like there's so much That's coming from it From building Agenetic environments I think that's a whole new world of its own And mind of its own Then my excitement honestly goes into Something that I think we're not going to get to for a while But it's AR I think it's quiet right now On purpose But AR is probably where I'm definitely focusing a lot of attention to know about Because I do think that's going to be the future We're going through this evolution I think that's probably going to be The big one That's going to be the cell phone Of just having augmented Elements and reality In our rural world So that's probably what's making me excited I can go down the deepest tunnel With accessibility features And why I think that's great I think it's going to change the game for a lot of people Whose brains and skill sets We haven't been able to experience I think AI in general is doing that right I have an amazing team I have a team of brilliant people We started Oak Theory five years ago We had designated spaces for them Designers were designers Engineers were engineers Developers were developers Sales are sales Now that we're in this new place for the past year This is where we're seeing this huge shift In Dops And what people are capable of Designers are now able to develop a lot easier Sales, coffee writers People who weren't naturally creative Are able to create It's creating such a fluid space In work environments that it's ridiculous On top of that I've been struggling as a founder I think a lot of founders probably are struggling with this too With the integrity to keep your team And not replace them with AI Because AI is coming in And doing a lot of things That I think project management wise And things like that are just No brainer you don't need it anymore like used to But you still need that human side But I think there's this really cool area that I've been playing around with where It's being very transparent with the team like Hey, Dops are changing We need to adapt Creative person Now that you have AI What else can you do? Suddenly our designer Is able to write things We're able to have copyrighting done by them And they can finish projects easier Suddenly our developers Our engineers are We're going to cross the board on In every area I can't even go in To how vast our skill set Or how wide range our skill set is now Is because of this one tool Our sales is able to put together their own pitch decks Without having to go to design That saves us a lot of money a year And so I think that's something that I really find interesting And I'm working on processes after processes We've replaced our team in the past year I will be honest It saved us mid six figures And in that We've been able to do so much more And our team has become so poor That it's almost like a new kind of core Where our team works together in such a fluid way Our Mondays and Thursday meetings Are the most amazing things I've ever seen Because they're touching so many things Now it's not so horrible to be a jack of all trades It's not so horrible to say I have a team that does a lot Because it doesn't feel like they're carrying as much anymore In fact they're like learning and having fun with it So that is a place where I think is really fun And having them work with agents is really interesting Watching them work with the agents that were built And this like hybrid environment is Stoping as hell But that's the right word on them It's wild Yeah It is wild And I'm glad you went there This is a really fascinating topic I think there's a lot of interest around And I own multiple companies I worked in New York And I had a team of a hundred people Worked in the adding to SeaWorld This is way before AI And it will build exactly the thing you're talking about I was always sort of a jack of all trades In the add agency world And it was not the most popular thing Because the add agency world especially Like putting people in boxes You're the creative person You're the writer You're the account person You're the strategy person You're the media person And how dare the account person ever be creative Process over Strategic And I was the strategic creative account guy That made the agency a lot of money But wasn't always the most popular And I started my agency radical With the intent to create sort of a flat environment Way before AI and agents Because I knew You're not extracting the best out of people Yes you need specialization And you need to know what your job is And what your functions are But I always believed You weren't always extracting the best out of your team When you limited them to only one function Yes, just very No one knows my whole That proved to be successful And then AI has come around And I had the exact discussion with my team I had close to 20 employees Four years ago We have less than a quarter of that now It's been natural I think I'm only fired one person It's just been natural Evolution of leaving and going other places And me not replacing As some of these technologies have come along And now we're as lean-toes ever But I had that exact discussion that you did And that I think a lot of business owners Are having to have this discussion with their teams to go This can do a lot of what your job was I believe in you And you are talented And I need you to embrace this And I'm not going to fire you But Yes You need to understand That you need to be doing Not just more We just got to work more No you don't have to work more Work the same hours But the output should be 10x But cause of what these agents are doing And you're no longer just this You can be the writer And the designer And the developer And your agent can help you do these things With product task management And a litany of other things If people aren't embracing that They will be jobless But if you embrace it It will be just fine But it is very I think a lot of leaderships are having It has to be accepted Because you need a team that can be fluid and grow with you And honestly it's such a battle Because we've had people who are like Well I don't want to And it's like Well damn Because I know you don't want to But this is like us changing software You have to adjust to the new software You can't just say I don't want to learn it Because if you don't Then we can't do anything now together And I feel like that's what's happening now We're moving over to this new way of thinking It is going to be the way of thinking We have to stay Float where a business And if you're not on it And you can't do it That means you can't adapt If you can't adapt We can't grow as a business We have to adapt that's the whole point So I think there have been hard conversations And it's a thing that's happening But people have to embrace it though Those who embrace it Will have plenty of work But it's just you have to leverage it And gonna be those that leverage it And those that don't And then if you don't I don't know what's on You need to go get skills trade Or something The aplomer If you have something with your hands That hasn't been replaced yet Intel Yeah Intel There's CEO just had to make that big announcement That they did that They did not adapt fast enough Now they're out of the game They can't even compete Their CEO had to say that we failed Because that's what happened Leadership doesn't adapt So we can see that on a huge scale How that affects everyone Now everyone who was like This leadership's job to coach everyone That this is the new reality And you've got to come along Because if leadership puts their head in the sand Then everybody's out of a job Because the business is out of it I've seen it I've seen friends companies Where they have leaders Or people just don't want to do it In their minds, they know what works Because that's what's always worked And now They're like, up shits creek And if there's one thing As a company we've definitely nailed Is we're very chill As a company We're four day work We're not really on everyone's ass all the time But when we have hard truths like this This is when we kind of sit the hell down We got it This is real And so I think the hard conversations was pretty soft Because it's we left so much open for Where do you see yourself evolving You have to do it You have to evolve As if this is what's happening to your role Here, let's use this same tool to show you Where your skill set could take you Where do you want to go Okay, how is that going to bring value to the company Like these are conversations we've had With each and every team member A developer You're doing front end right now Now we have these tools By next week I wanted to see you introduce three other tools to me That will allow you to expand your skill set Using AI We'll pay for it We'll fund it We pay for them to learn We pay for their classes But you have to grow Or else we're going to have to replace you Because now we won't be able to compete And if we can't compete we can't feed everybody We've got family, people with families We're not about to let them not eat Just because you ask Want to sit here And say well I'm comfortable doing this So it's real conversations that we're being had But it's made such a Top of our team and we're stronger than ever We got robots Talking in the team It feels seamless And it feels beautiful And it feels just as homey And cozy as it always felt It doesn't have to be uncomfortable Unless you make it that way It should be exciting Because for me I've loved it Not because by employee You know cost lower I loved it because How much more productive I know how I could think And spend more time on the stuff that matters Versus mundane things And so if you are embracing that Reality then that's the problem Not the other way around Yes You said it because this is exactly what we say It gives us space to focus on what matters It gives us space to look at projects And now because so many of those mundane little tasks That had to go into a project That were like more tactical More like step by step a process Those can get done And so now we can focus on real problems And how to solve them And I think that's even what gave us the room To start this under the oil Because we were able to now say Holy shit Look at how the psychological things Are going into this It's what gives us space to do more And I'm watching it with friends companies A lot of people are starting sub-rans And other companies now within their company Because of this It gives you room to see things that you couldn't see before Because you're so focused on getting the project done Now the projects are getting done more efficiently Less hands on deck You're able to really have a wider look And range on what you're working on And why And there's a beauty in that So yeah You're absolutely correct Yeah I love that you said that Because I'm right on the scene You seem like a great leader Has that been nature or nurture That your leadership Both a lot of humility I don't know if it's a Neuro spicy thing But I think if there's one thing I tell everyone How do you tell me first and then I'm like Leave here you go at the door Leave here you go at the door And always be straightforward and honest People who will want to work with you Will work with you You'll see patterns immediately With people always pick up on that But I leave my ego at the door I don't think I'm smarter than anyone on my team Or else why the hell would they be there So I think with those things in mind It allows me to be honest with my team open I'm not anyone on my team's competitor I'm like there's nothing in me That wants to feel better than you I want you to feel like you want to be here Because at the end of the day The truth is Each one of those people on your team Are building your dream And you're giving them freedom I like to say I offer freedom tokens Pay for what you're doing That's the trade-off And then in the day They're building something for me And if they want to be a part of it That's great because I'm like Listen I'll do whatever I can To make sure you're part of this Or I honey I'll make sure that you're in it That you feel like it's home I think there is that ego thing We have to drop it aside And be like That is the hard truth though If you hire right Talent that you feel like you cannot replace There's a lot of value That you put on them Under the oak Sounds like a podcast to me And I have a podcast never So we should talk more about that We should We have so many recordings Already things that we talk about And it's just putting it out there And I think you know You've been doing this for a while There's that perfectionism thing that comes in And there's like this thing That we're working through And still trying to get through And especially because I'm my and I'm very opinion based With my conversations And we're still getting through So it makes it spicy Listen, that is That is my personality We're figuring it out But it's really fun And I'm really excited about the conversations we're having Working here But keep up with everything you're doing Oak theory.co Cl Under the oak.co Cl I like to be authentic Can I just say this? I will always be me You can't look at my social and know Who I am unless you go to the link I'll just say that My social if anyone wants to reach out to me Is first Shelton I'm on Insta and everything else You can follow me on LinkedIn But under the oak.co We have a contact Reach out if you want to reach out Let's talk We're always open to work on new projects And fun new things And hello at Oak theory It's last one And now Ryan I have good expectations Unlike you So I'm pretty excited I like it Hey, that means I'm on brand Yes Yes Yes So it's like how this is going to be Cool I was excited Well, you were awesome You look great Congratulations on being a new mother To be Thank you So I hope all that Goes well Let's stay in touch I'm serious If you guys get down The media are out on Podcasts Something I'm here Here to be a resource We have proof that you said it So no takebacks Everyone heard it Thank you Hey guys You don't have to find us Ryan is right You'll find highlight clips From today's episode The full episode Download links to YouTube You need to watch this You got to see the lovely Veronica here In person live On YouTube We release that every week When the episode comes out We appreciate you For making us Number one We'll see you next time Right about now This has been right about now With Ryan Alford A Radcast Network Production Visit RyanisRight.com For full audio And video versions of the show Order one choir About sponsorship opportunities Thanks for listening